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Grammatical guestion

May 30th, 2008 (08:28 pm)

Since I want to know which is right...

Example 1.

Option a) Ross's (as in "This is Ross's car")

Option b) Ross' (as in "This is Ross' car")

Example 2.

Option a) Mistress's (as in "Mistress's dress")

Option b) Mistress' (as in "Mistress' dress")

Example 3.

Option a) Bus's (as in "Bus's headlights swept the road")

Option b) Bus' (as in "Bus' headlights swept the road")

I would - and have - used option b) on all those, and am annoyed whenever I see the 's following the final s (I know there is probably a fancy word for that, but I am not that interested in the matter, other than to hear what is the right way to put it). I am currently reading a book with loads of "unnecessary" s, and I want to know how it is REALLY done.


Posted by: Rena (elyxer)
Posted at: May 30th, 2008 06:02 pm (UTC)
Rena Flame Heart

If the noun is singular, you add 's even if the singular noun ends in an s. If the noun is plural and doesn't end in an s, you still use 's; however, if the plural noun ends in an s you only add the apostrophe after the s.

bus's for one bus - buses' for multiple buses.
frog's for one frog and frogs' for multiple frogs.

You can go here for all the rules.


Posted by: Del Rion (del_rion)
Posted at: May 30th, 2008 06:23 pm (UTC)

Oh thank you! Finally I have the answer ^^ *is very pleased*

Which means that with the name "Legolas", for one, I have written it all wrong up till now :D (it still does look stupid to me to have so many s's after one another, but rules are rules! XD)

Posted by: Rena (elyxer)
Posted at: May 30th, 2008 07:01 pm (UTC)
Pagan Unicorn

I know what you mean. I screwed up Gus for ages before I finally figured it out myself. *grins*

Posted by: Del Rion (del_rion)
Posted at: May 30th, 2008 08:58 pm (UTC)

Haha, amen to that XD

At least it isn't the biggest of all mistakes you can do...

Posted by: Phaelas (phaelas)
Posted at: May 30th, 2008 08:25 pm (UTC)

I learned that you don't use an apostrophe at all when it's about a thing rather than a person. So it would be the headlights of the bus, not bus's or bus'.

I've also always learned that both are possible actually. It's a personal choice. :S

Posted by: Del Rion (del_rion)
Posted at: May 30th, 2008 08:59 pm (UTC)

Shhh, don't say that, you'll make me all confused S:


Posted by: Rena (elyxer)
Posted at: May 30th, 2008 11:33 pm (UTC)
Bad Hair

Okay, I went back and dug around in everything I could find about apostrophes. I'm not sure about the first part...in dealing with bus or buses. I learned that the apostrophe is used to show possession regardless of whether it's a thing or a person. Also, it is correct to do it either way depending on what you're righting. So, I guess you and I were doing okay with leaving off the s considering we're writing fanfic. *grins* So, you don't have to use 's if you don't want to, but it's not wrong if people do use it. There I think I got that all straight now. You have no idea how many websites I read trying to figure out what was up with this...hehehe. I'm sorry about not telling you this before, but I just found a couple of websites that talked about it. Here is one. This crap is confusing enough without all the contradictions in the acceptable rules...LOL.

Posted by: Del Rion (del_rion)
Posted at: May 31st, 2008 12:18 pm (UTC)

I am planning to write books in English in the future, so getting it right would be nice ^^ I'm a sucker for making things perfectly, anyway...

I will check out more sites, especially now that I know the fancy word for this :)

Thanks for the work you did for this =)

*needs to find a good English teatcher to ask, and then blame him/her when I do it wrong XD*

Posted by: Rena (elyxer)
Posted at: May 30th, 2008 11:38 pm (UTC)
Rena Pooh

Okay, I'm not sure about the person vs. thing rule as I couldn't find anything on that, but you're right about it being a personal choice. From what I could find, I guess it depends on what you're writing and in what venue as to what is acceptable. Thanks for correcting me...this crap is confusing enough without having two sets of rules for everything...hehehe.

Posted by: darkestangelspn (darkestangelspn)
Posted at: June 3rd, 2008 10:06 pm (UTC)

From my understanding nouns ending in s (plural or singular) are given an apostrophe after the s (not a separate 's). I could be wrong but that's the way I've always done it. Although, after looking at the rules I see that I might need to make some changes myself.

Edited at 2008-06-03 10:08 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Del Rion (del_rion)
Posted at: June 3rd, 2008 10:23 pm (UTC)

Yeah, that is also the way I've done it, as you can see :P

But, damn it, I really need to kidnap an English teacher now... someone who really knows how it is done... :/

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